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翻版是中国的特产?

by Richard.H on 2006/03/01

今天的商务日文课上讨论到日本最近对版权的新法令的问题。因为有人对“复制商品”这个词不懂,所以老师就举例说明,比如翻版DVD啊,翻版CD等等。估计你也猜测得到,这个话题一提起来,中国的盗版问题又会成了论点。我感觉到老师已经感觉到我是班里唯一的一个中国学生,尽量在避免扯到这上面了,但是最后还是被其他人揪出来。

Jon夏天的时候到我家玩过几天。好像外国人到中国旅游时,翻版DVD和CD成了必买特产,所以但是我也应他的要求带他去电脑城等地方兜了一圈。他看中了“24小时”,一共记得好像是60块,我感觉贵了一点,于是试着商量一下价钱,而站在我旁边的Jon说就算600块在英国也买不到这么一套,不用讨价还价了。在他的眼中看的是付出的钱和得到的碟之间的关系,而在我看来是奸商与强悍的消费者之间的关系。不过最后我必胜的信心还是被Jon善良而无奈的眼神给说服了,买了之后总有那个奸商在我背后偷笑的阴影。

这只是故事的前奏。Jon买完之后回到家得意地和家人分享的时候,发现里面有一张居然翻版到不能接受的程度。美国的电影居然是德语发音,而选字幕却只有中文。他发Email跟我说,我实在尴尬,只能以“一分钱一分货”回他,不过心里实在是不爽加丢脸,连翻版都翻到被人投诉。

其实外国人也买翻版,英国人也有,日本人也不少,而且在国外如果真的要的话也可以买到翻版,只不过风险大了多。就像上面的那则日本新闻,最高可以判到10年(只是在提案阶段,还没有真正列入法律)。相比之下,国内也有相关法规,但是不严,或是说根本没有执行方案。既然猫都不动,老鼠也就不用逃,反之,在这两者共同和谐的社会中,造就了不少IT人也提供了国民综合电影和音乐鉴赏能力。如果一张CD真的只有花上上百块才买得到的话,估计大部分歌星和演员的支持者得减半。

之前有个日本朋友去泰国旅游的时候也带回来几张翻版,并赞扬质量很好。其实每个国家都有,只是情况不同罢了。不过就中国那么庞大的身躯而且坐在经济高速发展的列车上,很容易被人拿来做话柄,就像今天在课堂上一样,我成了“中国大使”。树大招风,已经很大的树要发展更大的话,根要干净而且扎实,这样风再大的话也能健康成长。

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bobo March 1, 2006 at 7:00 pm

copyright本来就是很有争议的东西,不一定说西方的知识产权制度就一定要嫁接到中国来。知识产权的确要尊重,但是表达尊重的方法很多,不一定要花高价去买。卖方的存在依赖于买方市场的需求,昨天你带jon去中国他会买盗版,明天带michael,后天带david,大后天带steve,他们还是会买。这不是西方自由经济理论的体现吗。这些人都没有资格也没有能力来批评中国社会,仅仅因为它的不同。

天天 March 10, 2006 at 7:37 pm

翻版?还不是盗版。没必要粉饰头面。

我不是清高,也买过盗版DD。但是起码在理论上,我不会替盗版辩论。或许正版价格超过大多数人的消费能力,或许盗版全球风行,法难治众,但是这些都不应成为为盗版正名的理由。

上面 bobo 说“但是表达尊重的方法很多,不一定要花高价去买”,我很想问,难倒去买盗版,让不法分子(而不是原作者)从中获利就是尊重版权的体现吗?如果你不认为盗版侵犯了原作者的权利的话,那么你又该用什么名义来捍卫你自己的知识产权(比如,你的论文,课题,等等等等)?

再者,仅仅因为中西社会文化不同,西方人就没资格批评中国社会了吗?那我又何尝不可以说,你不了解西方“批评”的文化,所以也没资格批评别人的批评?

路过,路过而已。。。

bobo March 11, 2006 at 1:57 pm

难倒去买盗版,让不法分子(而不是原作者)从中获利就是尊重版权的体现吗?
—这是对方辩友自己极端的臆测,不是我说的。我认为立法者要在消费者(ie人民大众)和知识产权拥有者之间strike a balance
eg. set a price maxi for certain product, eg, cd.

那我又何尝不可以说,你不了解西方“批评”的文化,所以也没资格批评别人的批评?
—-事实上是,我比西方人(80%)要了解。
也许我说得有点过火。资格大家都有,不同在见地。

天天 March 11, 2006 at 2:47 pm

quote: 我认为立法者要在消费者(ie人民大众)和知识产权拥有者之间strike a balance
eg. set a price maxi for certain product, eg, cd.
Comment by bobo — March 11, 2006 #
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hmm… gov’t setting the price…. does this sound any familiar to you? right. planned econmy.

请设想一下,如果你觉得自己的某项成果值一百元,而政府非要跑过来说你只能卖30元,你会如何作想?假如你很乐意接受这种安排的话就当我没说了。。。

bobo March 11, 2006 at 4:16 pm

如果你觉得自己的某项成果值一百元
–你的想法就代表一切了?典型monopolist.
I’m not against capitalist, but some of the natural fruits of it eg, monopoly, must be limited CAUTIOUSLY.

政府非要跑过来说你只能卖30元,你会如何作想?
–一个有能力的政府不会那么无厘头的。 所以我说这是一个balancing exercise.如果你应要一边倒那不显得太片面嘛。

bobo March 11, 2006 at 4:18 pm

我的理论都很mild,请不要根据你自己的偏见来误解我。

天天 March 12, 2006 at 8:25 am

no offense, but the record companies are in no way monopolistic…

perhaps your viewpoints are mild, but you definitely did not establish the boundaries within which you apply your viewpoints.

我的观点是,除非你先定下boundary,否则如果这个理论不能被push to the limit的话,就不能说是一个完善的理论。所以当你说唱片公司的价格应该定上限的时候,就应该想一下如果CD,DVD上定了最高价格,那么其他用品呢?比如,电脑高科技,汽车,药品,等等,是否也应被定最高价格?谁来划这条分界线?如果让立法者来定这样一个价格,又应如何监督,保证他们的公允并防止他们滥用职权?

如果这些问题都没想过,那么你说的政府应set a max price,就算是再好的理论,不能实行的话,也只能被当作是信口开河。

bobo March 12, 2006 at 10:31 pm

I don’t think it’s a monopolist’s right to argue that because we haven’t not finalized a more balanced regime, we can’t abandon the monopoly in the first place.

The things that you talked about, eg ‘boundary’ ‘push to the limit’ etc, whatever you call them, are indeed legitimate concerns which a govt needs to address using its resources in research and consultation and it’s perfectly with a competent govt’s power to resolve these moot point to a satisfactory extent.
如果CD,DVD上定了最高价格,那么其他用品呢?比如,电脑高科技,汽车,药品,等等,是否也应被定最高价格?
–this seems to go without saying. Why would anybody expect the same treatment be afforded to different products which has different markets? I would then direct an economist to carry out a research as to the best controlling mechanisms that should be adopted in relation to each product area
谁来划这条分界线?如果让立法者来定这样一个价格,又应如何监督,保证他们的公允并防止他们滥用职权?
–again, they are legitimate concerns, but which is also incapable of rebutting my argument. Of course, the legislative cannot exercise arbitrary power. Before adopting a particulary, there will be a proper process taking into account different views and interests of different stakeholders. About supervision, of course the courts can do that. That’s the basic idea of the separation of powers.
Of course, it might be a bit utopian to talk about a very developed democratic system in china, but there is one and we are capable of achieving it in the future. But what you shouldn’t do is be pessimistic about everything so that you can negate every possible improvement but in fact advocating monopolies which is the greatest evil of all.

天天 March 13, 2006 at 7:29 am

Hmm… I am no economics major, but certainly your view towards monopoly is a bit too radical. And my original point is, record industry is NOT a monopoly, and CDs and DVDs are — to me at least — dispensable goods, so I don’t see why you want to have the gov’t involved in price control in the first place.

And you might have noticed, even when government strikes down monopolies, they never do so (at least as far as I know) by imposing price standards, but rather by facilitating the advent of competition. Anything beyond that, I fear, would give the gov’t too much power.

bobo March 13, 2006 at 11:18 am

the point of having an Intellectual property regime is to give IP owners a monopoly so that in theory they will have more incentive to be more creative. One way or the other, if you don’t want to put power into the govt’s hands (most of them in the west are democratically elected), you put the power into the monopolists’ hands, who, as a result is capable of setting the price by agreement restrictive of competition. My view is that the govt need to strike a balance between protection os the IP owner’s(potential monopolists’) and the public’s interest, which is in no way radical. Maybe the price-fixing deal isn’t appropriate in all circumstances, but it’s a potential method of dealing with the problem. By seeing eg a max price, the recourd companies still have a domain when they can choose the approapriate price as long as they don’t go beyond the limit, which, as the market research might show, is harmful to consumers. Price fixing doesn’t mean a uniform price that must be adhered to.

olive October 29, 2007 at 9:06 pm

对于盗版问题,个人看法是:
盗版的行为,对于版权所有者而言,是不利于个人收入的.
但是现实中的社会现象告诉我们:一个歌手的人气量大增,有一部分原因是靠歌曲被盗版,使得更多人能听到其作品,从而使得歌手获得更多的fans.从这个方面,说明盗版其实也不完全坏事.反而提高了歌手的知名度,不是么?
宁愿买盗版的fans是因为处于经济原因而选择.如果从心理角度分析,就是既想聽但錢包又不鼓的前提下选择买盗版cd.
虽然很多强烈憎恨盗版意识的人會谴责盗版行为是不道德.但是大部分经济单薄的人还是會选择买的.毕竟这个涉及个人经济能力的问题.

PS:社会的很多不良好的现象,大多数不正是&经济有关联么?

olive October 29, 2007 at 9:11 pm

我倾向知识共享的理想化世界,但是现实是残酷的.

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