《翻版是中国的特产？》的评论 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/2006/03/01/%e7%bf%bb%e7%89%88%e6%98%af%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e7%9a%84%e7%89%b9%e4%ba%a7%ef%bc%9f.html 一只在英伦乱跑的牛犊 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 05:05:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 作者：olive http://www.richardhong.com/cn/2006/03/01/%e7%bf%bb%e7%89%88%e6%98%af%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e7%9a%84%e7%89%b9%e4%ba%a7%ef%bc%9f.html/comment-page-1#comment-23042 olive Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:11:50 +0000 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/?p=310#comment-23042 我倾向知识共享的理想化世界,但是现实是残酷的. 我倾向知识共享的理想化世界,但是现实是残酷的.

]]> 作者：olive http://www.richardhong.com/cn/2006/03/01/%e7%bf%bb%e7%89%88%e6%98%af%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e7%9a%84%e7%89%b9%e4%ba%a7%ef%bc%9f.html/comment-page-1#comment-23041 olive Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:06:30 +0000 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/?p=310#comment-23041 对于盗版问题,个人看法是: 盗版的行为,对于版权所有者而言,是不利于个人收入的. 但是现实中的社会现象告诉我们:一个歌手的人气量大增,有一部分原因是靠歌曲被盗版,使得更多人能听到其作品,从而使得歌手获得更多的fans.从这个方面,说明盗版其实也不完全坏事.反而提高了歌手的知名度,不是么? 宁愿买盗版的fans是因为处于经济原因而选择.如果从心理角度分析,就是既想聽但錢包又不鼓的前提下选择买盗版cd. 虽然很多强烈憎恨盗版意识的人會谴责盗版行为是不道德.但是大部分经济单薄的人还是會选择买的.毕竟这个涉及个人经济能力的问题. PS:社会的很多不良好的现象,大多数不正是＆经济有关联么? 对于盗版问题,个人看法是:
盗版的行为,对于版权所有者而言,是不利于个人收入的.
但是现实中的社会现象告诉我们:一个歌手的人气量大增,有一部分原因是靠歌曲被盗版,使得更多人能听到其作品,从而使得歌手获得更多的fans.从这个方面,说明盗版其实也不完全坏事.反而提高了歌手的知名度,不是么?
宁愿买盗版的fans是因为处于经济原因而选择.如果从心理角度分析,就是既想聽但錢包又不鼓的前提下选择买盗版cd.
虽然很多强烈憎恨盗版意识的人會谴责盗版行为是不道德.但是大部分经济单薄的人还是會选择买的.毕竟这个涉及个人经济能力的问题.

PS:社会的很多不良好的现象,大多数不正是＆经济有关联么?

]]> 作者：bobo http://www.richardhong.com/cn/2006/03/01/%e7%bf%bb%e7%89%88%e6%98%af%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e7%9a%84%e7%89%b9%e4%ba%a7%ef%bc%9f.html/comment-page-1#comment-690 bobo Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:18:42 +0000 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/?p=310#comment-690 the point of having an Intellectual property regime is to give IP owners a monopoly so that in theory they will have more incentive to be more creative. One way or the other, if you don't want to put power into the govt's hands (most of them in the west are democratically elected), you put the power into the monopolists' hands, who, as a result is capable of setting the price by agreement restrictive of competition. My view is that the govt need to strike a balance between protection os the IP owner's(potential monopolists') and the public's interest, which is in no way radical. Maybe the price-fixing deal isn't appropriate in all circumstances, but it's a potential method of dealing with the problem. By seeing eg a max price, the recourd companies still have a domain when they can choose the approapriate price as long as they don't go beyond the limit, which, as the market research might show, is harmful to consumers. Price fixing doesn't mean a uniform price that must be adhered to. the point of having an Intellectual property regime is to give IP owners a monopoly so that in theory they will have more incentive to be more creative. One way or the other, if you don’t want to put power into the govt’s hands (most of them in the west are democratically elected), you put the power into the monopolists’ hands, who, as a result is capable of setting the price by agreement restrictive of competition. My view is that the govt need to strike a balance between protection os the IP owner’s(potential monopolists’) and the public’s interest, which is in no way radical. Maybe the price-fixing deal isn’t appropriate in all circumstances, but it’s a potential method of dealing with the problem. By seeing eg a max price, the recourd companies still have a domain when they can choose the approapriate price as long as they don’t go beyond the limit, which, as the market research might show, is harmful to consumers. Price fixing doesn’t mean a uniform price that must be adhered to.

]]> 作者：天天 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/2006/03/01/%e7%bf%bb%e7%89%88%e6%98%af%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e7%9a%84%e7%89%b9%e4%ba%a7%ef%bc%9f.html/comment-page-1#comment-689 天天 Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:29:34 +0000 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/?p=310#comment-689 Hmm... I am no economics major, but certainly your view towards monopoly is a bit too radical. And my original point is, record industry is NOT a monopoly, and CDs and DVDs are -- to me at least -- dispensable goods, so I don't see why you want to have the gov't involved in price control in the first place. And you might have noticed, even when government strikes down monopolies, they never do so (at least as far as I know) by imposing price standards, but rather by facilitating the advent of competition. Anything beyond that, I fear, would give the gov't too much power. Hmm… I am no economics major, but certainly your view towards monopoly is a bit too radical. And my original point is, record industry is NOT a monopoly, and CDs and DVDs are — to me at least — dispensable goods, so I don’t see why you want to have the gov’t involved in price control in the first place.

And you might have noticed, even when government strikes down monopolies, they never do so (at least as far as I know) by imposing price standards, but rather by facilitating the advent of competition. Anything beyond that, I fear, would give the gov’t too much power.

]]> 作者：bobo http://www.richardhong.com/cn/2006/03/01/%e7%bf%bb%e7%89%88%e6%98%af%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e7%9a%84%e7%89%b9%e4%ba%a7%ef%bc%9f.html/comment-page-1#comment-687 bobo Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:31:27 +0000 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/?p=310#comment-687 I don’t think it’s a monopolist’s right to argue that because we haven’t not finalized a more balanced regime, we can’t abandon the monopoly in the first place. The things that you talked about, eg ‘boundary’ ‘push to the limit’ etc, whatever you call them, are indeed legitimate concerns which a govt needs to address using its resources in research and consultation and it’s perfectly with a competent govt’s power to resolve these moot point to a satisfactory extent. 如果CD，DVD上定了最高价格，那么其他用品呢？比如，电脑高科技，汽车，药品，等等，是否也应被定最高价格？ --this seems to go without saying. Why would anybody expect the same treatment be afforded to different products which has different markets? I would then direct an economist to carry out a research as to the best controlling mechanisms that should be adopted in relation to each product area 谁来划这条分界线？如果让立法者来定这样一个价格，又应如何监督，保证他们的公允并防止他们滥用职权？ --again, they are legitimate concerns, but which is also incapable of rebutting my argument. Of course, the legislative cannot exercise arbitrary power. Before adopting a particulary, there will be a proper process taking into account different views and interests of different stakeholders. About supervision, of course the courts can do that. That’s the basic idea of the separation of powers. Of course, it might be a bit utopian to talk about a very developed democratic system in china, but there is one and we are capable of achieving it in the future. But what you shouldn’t do is be pessimistic about everything so that you can negate every possible improvement but in fact advocating monopolies which is the greatest evil of all. I don’t think it’s a monopolist’s right to argue that because we haven’t not finalized a more balanced regime, we can’t abandon the monopoly in the first place.

The things that you talked about, eg ‘boundary’ ‘push to the limit’ etc, whatever you call them, are indeed legitimate concerns which a govt needs to address using its resources in research and consultation and it’s perfectly with a competent govt’s power to resolve these moot point to a satisfactory extent.
如果CD，DVD上定了最高价格，那么其他用品呢？比如，电脑高科技，汽车，药品，等等，是否也应被定最高价格？
–this seems to go without saying. Why would anybody expect the same treatment be afforded to different products which has different markets? I would then direct an economist to carry out a research as to the best controlling mechanisms that should be adopted in relation to each product area
谁来划这条分界线？如果让立法者来定这样一个价格，又应如何监督，保证他们的公允并防止他们滥用职权？
–again, they are legitimate concerns, but which is also incapable of rebutting my argument. Of course, the legislative cannot exercise arbitrary power. Before adopting a particulary, there will be a proper process taking into account different views and interests of different stakeholders. About supervision, of course the courts can do that. That’s the basic idea of the separation of powers.
Of course, it might be a bit utopian to talk about a very developed democratic system in china, but there is one and we are capable of achieving it in the future. But what you shouldn’t do is be pessimistic about everything so that you can negate every possible improvement but in fact advocating monopolies which is the greatest evil of all.

]]> 作者：天天 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/2006/03/01/%e7%bf%bb%e7%89%88%e6%98%af%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e7%9a%84%e7%89%b9%e4%ba%a7%ef%bc%9f.html/comment-page-1#comment-682 天天 Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:25:49 +0000 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/?p=310#comment-682 no offense, but the record companies are in no way monopolistic... perhaps your viewpoints are mild, but you definitely did not establish the boundaries within which you apply your viewpoints. 我的观点是，除非你先定下boundary，否则如果这个理论不能被push to the limit的话，就不能说是一个完善的理论。所以当你说唱片公司的价格应该定上限的时候，就应该想一下如果CD，DVD上定了最高价格，那么其他用品呢？比如，电脑高科技，汽车，药品，等等，是否也应被定最高价格？谁来划这条分界线？如果让立法者来定这样一个价格，又应如何监督，保证他们的公允并防止他们滥用职权？ 如果这些问题都没想过，那么你说的政府应set a max price，就算是再好的理论，不能实行的话，也只能被当作是信口开河。 no offense, but the record companies are in no way monopolistic…

perhaps your viewpoints are mild, but you definitely did not establish the boundaries within which you apply your viewpoints.

我的观点是，除非你先定下boundary，否则如果这个理论不能被push to the limit的话，就不能说是一个完善的理论。所以当你说唱片公司的价格应该定上限的时候，就应该想一下如果CD，DVD上定了最高价格，那么其他用品呢？比如，电脑高科技，汽车，药品，等等，是否也应被定最高价格？谁来划这条分界线？如果让立法者来定这样一个价格，又应如何监督，保证他们的公允并防止他们滥用职权？

如果这些问题都没想过，那么你说的政府应set a max price，就算是再好的理论，不能实行的话，也只能被当作是信口开河。

]]> 作者：bobo http://www.richardhong.com/cn/2006/03/01/%e7%bf%bb%e7%89%88%e6%98%af%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e7%9a%84%e7%89%b9%e4%ba%a7%ef%bc%9f.html/comment-page-1#comment-678 bobo Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:18:03 +0000 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/?p=310#comment-678 我的理论都很mild,请不要根据你自己的偏见来误解我。 我的理论都很mild,请不要根据你自己的偏见来误解我。

]]> 作者：bobo http://www.richardhong.com/cn/2006/03/01/%e7%bf%bb%e7%89%88%e6%98%af%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e7%9a%84%e7%89%b9%e4%ba%a7%ef%bc%9f.html/comment-page-1#comment-677 bobo Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:16:59 +0000 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/?p=310#comment-677 如果你觉得自己的某项成果值一百元 --你的想法就代表一切了？典型monopolist. I'm not against capitalist, but some of the natural fruits of it eg, monopoly, must be limited CAUTIOUSLY. 政府非要跑过来说你只能卖30元，你会如何作想？ --一个有能力的政府不会那么无厘头的。 所以我说这是一个balancing exercise.如果你应要一边倒那不显得太片面嘛。 如果你觉得自己的某项成果值一百元
–你的想法就代表一切了？典型monopolist.
I’m not against capitalist, but some of the natural fruits of it eg, monopoly, must be limited CAUTIOUSLY.

政府非要跑过来说你只能卖30元，你会如何作想？
–一个有能力的政府不会那么无厘头的。 所以我说这是一个balancing exercise.如果你应要一边倒那不显得太片面嘛。

]]> 作者：天天 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/2006/03/01/%e7%bf%bb%e7%89%88%e6%98%af%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e7%9a%84%e7%89%b9%e4%ba%a7%ef%bc%9f.html/comment-page-1#comment-676 天天 Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:47:30 +0000 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/?p=310#comment-676 quote: 我认为立法者要在消费者(ie人民大众）和知识产权拥有者之间strike a balance eg. set a price maxi for certain product, eg, cd. Comment by bobo — March 11, 2006 # -------------------------------------------------- hmm... gov't setting the price.... does this sound any familiar to you? right. planned econmy. 请设想一下，如果你觉得自己的某项成果值一百元，而政府非要跑过来说你只能卖30元，你会如何作想？假如你很乐意接受这种安排的话就当我没说了。。。 quote: 我认为立法者要在消费者(ie人民大众）和知识产权拥有者之间strike a balance
eg. set a price maxi for certain product, eg, cd.
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hmm… gov’t setting the price…. does this sound any familiar to you? right. planned econmy.

请设想一下，如果你觉得自己的某项成果值一百元，而政府非要跑过来说你只能卖30元，你会如何作想？假如你很乐意接受这种安排的话就当我没说了。。。

]]> 作者：bobo http://www.richardhong.com/cn/2006/03/01/%e7%bf%bb%e7%89%88%e6%98%af%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e7%9a%84%e7%89%b9%e4%ba%a7%ef%bc%9f.html/comment-page-1#comment-673 bobo Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:57:33 +0000 http://www.richardhong.com/cn/?p=310#comment-673 难倒去买盗版，让不法分子(而不是原作者)从中获利就是尊重版权的体现吗？ ---这是对方辩友自己极端的臆测，不是我说的。我认为立法者要在消费者(ie人民大众）和知识产权拥有者之间strike a balance eg. set a price maxi for certain product, eg, cd. 那我又何尝不可以说，你不了解西方“批评”的文化，所以也没资格批评别人的批评？ ----事实上是，我比西方人（80%）要了解。 也许我说得有点过火。资格大家都有，不同在见地。 难倒去买盗版，让不法分子(而不是原作者)从中获利就是尊重版权的体现吗？
—这是对方辩友自己极端的臆测，不是我说的。我认为立法者要在消费者(ie人民大众）和知识产权拥有者之间strike a balance
eg. set a price maxi for certain product, eg, cd.

那我又何尝不可以说，你不了解西方“批评”的文化，所以也没资格批评别人的批评？
—-事实上是，我比西方人（80%）要了解。
也许我说得有点过火。资格大家都有，不同在见地。

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